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  If there is a creator, will an expanding universe ever become bigger than he?

  by prologos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the bible has expressions like: "--god walked in the garden at the breezy part of the day--" .

  but more realisticly, speaking in today's lingo:.

  if, as accepted by consensus, the universe was "smaller" in the past, expanding out of a zero size singularity, it was "smaller" than the "creator"* at that point in time.

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  " but if we agree there must be creator, creatrice,"

  We don't.
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  The Teaching of Evolution in UK Schools Mandatory

  by Joe Grundy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  link to news story here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-20547195 (sorry, don't know how to make it 'clickable').. i, for one, am glad to see that this has been clarified.

  is it the same in the us?.

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  "This would IMHO be difficult to do in the U.S. for private or religious schools, given the constitutional freedom of speech and religious freedom issues."

  This is something I find difficult to understand - due, no doubt, to my imperfect understanding of the US constitution. I understand the right to 'free speech' and I think I have knowledge of the historical 'separation of Church and State'. But I thought that the latter meant that anyone can practice any religion they want but that governmental obligations were or should be entirely a-religious.

  If the education of children is a government requirement (federal and/or state) in whatever form it takes (including 'home-schooling') doesn't that mean that the curriculum should be a-religious to comply with the constitution? Even if other, additional, 'religious' schooling is permissible as an 'extra'?

  Does the constitution also guarantee a freedom FROM religion of whatever brand?
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  The Teaching of Evolution in UK Schools Mandatory

  by Joe Grundy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  link to news story here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-20547195 (sorry, don't know how to make it 'clickable').. i, for one, am glad to see that this has been clarified.

  is it the same in the us?.

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  "Is it also an issue in Islamic schools?"

  Yes it is, at least here in the UK, and with Jewish schools. All 'faith' schools, really.

  Dawkins did a programme(s?) on 'faith schools in the UK some time ago for UK Channel 4 TV (I think) which I found quite worrying. Despite government oversight of the curriculum there was (he found) unwarranted bias in teaching.
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  The Teaching of Evolution in UK Schools Mandatory

  by Joe Grundy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  link to news story here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-20547195 (sorry, don't know how to make it 'clickable').. i, for one, am glad to see that this has been clarified.

  is it the same in the us?.

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  Thanks for making that 'clickable', Cofty.

  I was aware of Reg Vardy but kept getting him confused with Reg Varney from 'On The Buses'! (another comedian, but not so dangerous).

  My own view is that inculcation of children equates to a form of abuse.

  I'd be interested to know how this sort of government declaration would be accepted in the US. o they have an equivalent?
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  Wife's FS report for last month... Zero!

  by Captain Obvious in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i could just be reading too far into this but... even with plenty of opportunities and time to go, she didn't seem to make it out last month.

  last night she said she was gonna go out today (the 1st) but... she's downstairs at the moment sipping coffee watching tv.

  a few weeks ago on the long drive back from the assembly we talked about fs.

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  This is just a thought from a never was dub.

  WT (and Mormons) could double their coverage if they really wanted to by sending out their people on their own (just as, here, door knockers selling telecoms packages, chugging for charities, etc., do).

  I assume (being cynical) that the reason they go in pairs is just in case a dub on FS meets someone who could talk to them and challenge their beliefs. The 'partner' dub is there to prevent that. If my assumption is correct, that says someting about the dubs - about their knowledge and confidence in their faith.
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  If there is a creator, will an expanding universe ever become bigger than he?

  by prologos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the bible has expressions like: "--god walked in the garden at the breezy part of the day--" .

  but more realisticly, speaking in today's lingo:.

  if, as accepted by consensus, the universe was "smaller" in the past, expanding out of a zero size singularity, it was "smaller" than the "creator"* at that point in time.

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  " it was "smaller" than the "Creator"* at that point in time. point in every way."

  There's a problem in that assumption, as in this one " If He existed before the physical universe, where did He live?".

  If one believes in a supernatural creator then one must also believe that he/she/it didn't have to be of a certain size or 'live' anywhere.

  In the world of the supernatural anything which is imagineable is possible (and everything that isn't). That's the whole point of the supernatural.
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  Here's a cute joke...

  by ohiocowboy in

  1. social
  2. humour

  i thought that this was cute so i wanted to share.... .

  a stalk of broccoli says "i look like a small tree"!.

  a mushroom looks around and says "i look like an umbrella"!.

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  Well, this is appropriate for me as a grumpy old git in the madcap run-up to Xmas:

  'I don't care who you are, fatty - get that sleigh off my roof'.
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  If there is a creator, will an expanding universe ever become bigger than he?

  by prologos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the bible has expressions like: "--god walked in the garden at the breezy part of the day--" .

  but more realisticly, speaking in today's lingo:.

  if, as accepted by consensus, the universe was "smaller" in the past, expanding out of a zero size singularity, it was "smaller" than the "creator"* at that point in time.

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  I understand that not only is the universe expanding but the rate at which it is expanding is increasing. Which means that at some point the rest of the universe will be too far away for us to see. Now that's a thought ...
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  The Teaching of Evolution in UK Schools Mandatory

  by Joe Grundy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  link to news story here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-20547195 (sorry, don't know how to make it 'clickable').. i, for one, am glad to see that this has been clarified.

  is it the same in the us?.

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  Joe Grundy

  Link to news story here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-20547195 (sorry, don't know how to make it 'clickable').

  I, for one, am glad to see that this has been clarified. Is it the same in the US?
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  A Mormon becomes a JW in the Feb 2013 Watchtower...

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  glancing through the feb 2013 "public" watchtower edition, an interesting article appears on page 8.. here is the pdf download link.... http://www.jw.org/download/?fileformat=pdf&issue=20130201&output=html&pub=wp&langwritten=e&option=trgchlzrqvnyvrxf&txtcmslang=e.

  it's interesting how, in the story, the young man's jw aunt and uncle switch him from mormonism to the jw faith using third-party material (the nov 8, 1995 awake!

  article), and he ends up becoming a jw after confirming on the official mormon website that the claims in the awake!

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  Thanks!